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Post by kennn on Jan 29, 2021 19:13:33 GMT -6
I discover this very interesting discussion thread today. www.freebasic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=29102The most interesting part of the above thread is: BasicCoder2 said: In reality how many are there that are interested in using or learning FreeBASIC? How many on going active members have joined over the last 12 months? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Then one intelligent member replied:    If we thinking on that way then all our talking is useless. Did you ask yourself why for example QB64 is a much more popular basic dialect? My main point is to make FB more user(beginer) friendly. Well Done!!! |
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Post by johnno56 on Jan 30, 2021 0:19:05 GMT -6
Hmm... Why is QB64 a more popular basic dialect? Let me see... Perhaps qbasic was one of the earliest 'basics' used on earlier computers... QBasic4.5 replaced GWBasic in about 1991 and ran on MSDOS, Win98, Win98 and WinMe etc. QBasic had a large following long be QB64 came along. I would imagine that a decent number of them flowed over to QB64 as a natural progression from QB4.5 and QB7.1
FreeBasic appeared in 2004. My guess is because QB came with a purchased version DOS or Windows... Hence, 'free'basic...
Regardless of the 'type' of Basic back then, I don't think 'any' of them, were designed to be 'user friendly'. Pretty much all of them had to be fully coded (no smart IDE's to auto-complete etc) by hand. Some used line numbers and most of them had a syntax library and a user manual to learn how to code. I think 'user friendly' was introduced to encourage more people to learn how to code. (my opinion)
In my opinion, I wouldn't be too concerned with 'how many join' over a period of time, because most people think that 'Basic' is a 'toy' language - compared to most - and will always be considered to be used by hobbiest's... If we continue to make 'graphic demos' etc we are only helping to confirm most peoples opinion of Basic. Don't get me wrong. Games and graphics demos are great but is that all Basic is capable of doing? Food for thought?
I need more coffee...
J
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Post by aurel on Jan 30, 2021 4:07:38 GMT -6
And that one would be me ...  well i don't want to start any kind of flames there but some things are NOT normal on that forum. How is possible that most members of FB forum visit fourm for sentimental resons and then in same time share useless talks with endless discussions  ? In the same time few members (moderators ) continues to "work" on "new" versions in which ordinarry user can not found anything new and useful for all. ?? YES that is true ! I made small research of FB forum and figured that so many examples /progs are to much biased to OOP which is ok but there is no any evidence that is better for casual programmer or even profy-developer... and that FB bevome more and more something else than BASIC. |
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Post by Tomaaz on Jan 30, 2021 18:07:50 GMT -6
Here we go, again... No. It's not "very inspiring discussion" It's not even interesting. It's the same "bla, bla, bla", again and again and again. It will not change anything. It will not lead to anything. The fourth post there says it all:
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Post by aurel on Jan 31, 2021 6:38:07 GMT -6
of course that not change anything especially if members on similar forums share such a attitude in general all is just useless talks with endless discussions |
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Post by Tomaaz on Jan 31, 2021 8:05:19 GMT -6
It has nothing to do with attitude. It's just stating the obvious fact. Members on FreeBASIC forum can say that FreeBASIC is the greatest language ever and the best option for beginners, but it won't make milions to use it. Also, there is nothing wrong with being honest. If someone's using FreeBASIC for nostalgia then thay can say so. Do you want them to lie and mislead other people?
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Post by aurel on Jan 31, 2021 8:16:35 GMT -6
Yes... if you speread lie enough then that lie becomes true it's just a coincidence about a very powerful programming language 
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Post by Tomaaz on Jan 31, 2021 8:24:40 GMT -6
OK, then. Keep lying about BASIC. Soon it will be the most popular language. Yeah, sure... |
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Post by Tomaaz on Jan 31, 2021 8:35:44 GMT -6
Aurel, remind me why aren't we all using ScriptBasic? After all the years John spent on praising it virtually everywhere it should be obvious to us that it's the greatest language ever created. ;-)
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Post by johnno56 on Jan 31, 2021 13:11:54 GMT -6
I'm going to put the "cat amongst the pigeons".
As B.A.S.I.C. itself states that it is designed for beginners, I do not believe that its makers, created it so that the user would make money. As you had correctly stated that there was no internet at the time. So who would they sell there programs to? lol
Let's agree that the destiny of Basic will more than likely remain in the realms of hobby and nostalgia programmers shall we?
Aurel; Tomaaz; In your opinions, assuming a developer wants to make money, which non-basic package(s) would you recommend for beginners and why?
Discuss.
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Post by aurel on Jan 31, 2021 13:29:37 GMT -6
Hi Johnno If you live in let say India (or globaly) then according to mind flow you must use python because if you know python then you can get job and money making programs in python... well that is not exactly true...according also to similar youTubers ...there are no real jobs for python programmer because he i good only for making data science and machine learning programs ...or maybe a django web programmer.. also not good for games because is so slow...so no game developer( sorry pygame game developers) Discuss. |
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Post by aurel on Jan 31, 2021 13:33:47 GMT -6
How is that possible that we don't use such a powerful lang  |
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Post by aurel on Jan 31, 2021 13:38:12 GMT -6
well according to mrT...that depends on Billy & Guido in a simple way if Guido be on top then we can expect PYBAS ...the new lang  or if if Bill be on top and Guido down...then will be called BASPY  |
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Post by johnno56 on Jan 31, 2021 16:19:55 GMT -6
Python. Although it is installed, I am not a fan of python because, as you have rightly stated, it's a bit on the slow side. I do tinker with pygame but not as much as RCBasic. I think Lua via the Love2D framework is quite quick. Well, quicker that pygame... lol But most of the Tutorials and demos are game related. I like the way Naalaa uses Naalaa to make its own tools (Raycaster and Tilemap editor). I think something like that for RC would be nice...
What do you think of Unreal and Unity etc? They seem to be quite popular and seem to have a large following. Do you think it is worth the time and effort to move into 3D type games/apps?
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Post by kennn on Feb 3, 2021 3:38:08 GMT -6
Sorry for my late reply. I was busy recently.
johnno56,
Your analysis of BASIC dialects looks accurate.
In addition, thanks for your information. You know a lot about the history of BASIC dialects.
aurel,
Oh, I see. aurelVZAB is your account name in FreeBASIC forum.
Your opinions on FreeBASIC are strong but honest.
Tomaaz,
Good points. Your knowledge of all aspects of programming languages is very helpful to the members in our forum. Sure.
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