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Post by aurel on Feb 6, 2021 2:32:57 GMT -6
Why i am thinking...
runing it in qemu or VMbox...puppy is really slow in boot ...
not just forks then the original version too
so i am wondering how is possible that biger distros like dream linux is so fast in boot
it also have distro builder..i will see..
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Post by johnno56 on Feb 6, 2021 3:16:47 GMT -6
If you want to "test" a distro, without going through applications like Virtual Box, then may I suggest that you download the "iso" image of the distribution and make a bootable usb. Puppy Linux is quite small, compared to most distros, and should run quite well from a 'stick'.
Most distros should have instructions on how to create a bootable usb. Note: If you choose to do this method, make sure you get a distro, that allows both "install" and "Try" options when booting from the usb.
J
ps: Curious. Why the interest in Linux? Are you planning to defect from Windows? lol
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Post by Tomaaz on Feb 6, 2021 3:59:03 GMT -6
Members of Puppy Linux family are the fastest usable distros I've tried, but, from my experience, they don't run particularly well in VMs. Problems with screen resolution and mouse were standard on my laptop. Puppy Linuxes are design to run from removable media, so there is no point in trying them in VMs. Just use Unetbootin or Rufus in Unetbootin mode (that will give you option to have a persistent storage on the same storage) and boot from USB.
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Post by aurel on Feb 6, 2021 8:21:27 GMT -6
I already tried to run from USB...
booting time is slow in any Puppy based distro ..why ..i am not sure
good thing is that when is boot finished then run extremly fast
now i am in doubt to use two tools
one is woof - remester
and second is from
Saluki
Distro-Builder
both are similar ...by the way author of Saluki helped to author of woof
One thing ...can i do remestering from USB directly because puppy is small
or i need HDD to build new fork.... i wil see...
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Post by Tomaaz on Feb 6, 2021 9:34:26 GMT -6
Oh, you're talking about the boot time... The whole system is being transferred to the RAM during boot. As far as I remember ?it becomes faster after a persistent storage has been created. Can I ask you why do you want to create a new fork? Is creating a persistent storage and saving all the changes you've made to your system not enough?
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Post by aurel on Feb 6, 2021 11:19:05 GMT -6
No no ..is not loaded into RAM during boot time .If was loaded into RAM then will go very fast baut is not.
As i said probably i will try first to use DreamLinux..yes it is old but have distro builder
but first must be installed on one partition then new remaster should be on another.
well i want to see how i can make puppy fork or maybe DreamLinux fork....
probably puppy because there are lot of resources around and is small.
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Post by Tomaaz on Feb 6, 2021 11:35:36 GMT -6
It is running from RAM. I remember removing USB stick while Puppy was running and it had no effect on the system. When the system is ready to use, everything is already in RAM, so it must be loaded during boot time. Using tools for remastering is not exactly doing a fork. You simply change settings and make a new .iso with your changes, without setting up or using persisting storage. Then you can distribute this ISO, but it's not a fork. By changing theme, font size and adding a couple of add-ons you don't create a fork of Firefox. To create a fork you need to make deeper changes, changes that can't be done/undone by using a setting menu.
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Post by aurel on Feb 6, 2021 12:39:16 GMT -6
tomek
then is something different because i don't understand probably
I put puppy iso on usb stick ..ok
put usb into computer and loader starting with
bla ..bla... then when i pull out stick loading stoped
so i break loading into RAM probably ..right ?
it is very slow...it looks to me that he first load some sort of unpacker squashfs ..i think
but ok,,,,however i have Saluki puppy installed on one old computer where is installed without problems
Bravo ...
On same computer i have one extra ,infact 2 extra partitions .
I know that this is not "fork" but that is how many forks are build ...or not,,,,probably yes he he
i want to add FreeBasic ,maybe BaCon...wine is already there because i tested micro(A) on that computer ..Johnoo knows.
and some other tools and programs and some remove ...
then all remaster to new ISO.
should be fun to try if nothing else ,,right?
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Post by Tomaaz on Feb 6, 2021 12:59:51 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with doing that. Just don't call it a fork.  squashfs is a filesystem. It has to be unpacked and copied to RAM. It takes longer, but then the system runs really fast. Also, it's important how fast your pendrive is. I'm not a hardware expert, but I've noticed that sometimes system loads faster, sometimes slower. |
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Post by aurel on Feb 6, 2021 13:47:02 GMT -6
well
i know some things about hardware
i do a lot of fixing with older pc even with new too
but looks to me that let say that old Dreamlinux is faster in boot because use older (smaller ) kernel i think but im not
sure ..
As i said because i already have Saluki installed + distro builder i will try with that to
check is all what they says true ..
Ok no "fork " than "MOD" whatever...by the way most of pupplets (puppy based distros ) are made on similar way
i read a lot about that on puppy forum.
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Post by Tomaaz on Feb 6, 2021 14:35:09 GMT -6
Yes, puplets are made this way and that's why, even on the official Puppy Linux website, they are called "remasters" and not "forks". Well, creating a BASIC Puppy is not a bad idea... |
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Post by aurel on Feb 7, 2021 7:39:04 GMT -6
I made contact with people on Puppy Linux Users Group
so i hope that i will het some answers
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Post by Tomaaz on Feb 8, 2021 4:26:23 GMT -6
Are you aware that Puppy has one of the best forums dedicated to Linux distros? The old one is in archive mode, but the new one looks even better. Puppy developpers post there including Barry, the author of original Puppy. Do you really think these people won't be able to answer your questions? I thought that the stupid and dangerous trend to move everything to Facebook is long gone. Oh, I just remembered. You've always been a decade behind, so it all makes perfect sense. Have you just discovered Facebook and are still exited how cool it is?  I made myself a stick with the new LxPup and yes, there was a problem with boot time. What happend was a wrong setting in a configuration file making Puppy think it was booting from a CD. It was searching for a wrong filesystem then took 60 sec. break and then booted from USB. The solution was to edit a couple of lines in a config file (I found it after 10 sec. of searching, guess where - yes, the official forum) and now it takes 30 sec. to boot with an encrypted persisten storage. |
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Post by aurel on Feb 9, 2021 4:16:56 GMT -6
As usual the answer is created in your way in which i am stupid and you are smart ... and you know that i am decade behind because using facebook is . .stupid and dangerous trend..... i know and understand that you are naive and young to beleive that internet can be safe no is not . I don't think that Facebook is cool and great ..it is just like anything else... And i don't see anything wrong in using fb groups...why not ? iF you don't like facebook ..well that is your problem... also i don't have a need to be on another forum (puppy forum)and start asking questions there .
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Post by Tomaaz on Feb 9, 2021 7:32:43 GMT -6
Using Facebook for keeping in touch with your family and friends is OK (if you don't have a problem with its privacy policy). I was talking about moving all discussions, support of even business websites to Facebook. Or getting all the news from there. What is (was?) great about Internet is decentralization. Facebook is something completely opposite. It doesn't really matter what me and you think. There were so many issues with Facebook that even ordinary people starting to dislike it. Last problems with WhatsApp didn't help either. Of course, Facebook is so big that it's not gonna disappear overnight (if ever), but the era of moving everything to Facebook has ended.
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