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Mar 21, 2021 3:07:09 GMT -6
Post by kennn on Mar 21, 2021 3:07:09 GMT -6
My observationThe official forum of SDLBasic is at very low activity level (17 posts in 2021). Since there is no new version for a very long time. I guess that their forum members left the forum silently one by one. What is their development team's plan? sdlbasic.epizy.com/IdeaIf the team faces technical difficulty in improving SDLBasic, the team can still join development team of other project. SDLBasic looks like RCBasic. May their team's members interested in joining Noob for the development of RCBasic? May the SDLBasic project and the RCBasic project be combined? Perhaps 1 + 1 > 2 finally.
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Mar 21, 2021 5:25:19 GMT -6
Post by johnno56 on Mar 21, 2021 5:25:19 GMT -6
I can assure you that, SDLBasic activity is indeed very low, and has been a concern for quite some time. SDLBasic, like Naalaa, seems to have the developer on, what we in Australia call, "a walkabout". Gone with no word as to when or if they will return. The Administrator can take care of 'minor' issues, but for a proper upgrade, will require the developer. SDL2 has been available since 21-Dec-2020 and has not been implemented as yet - I suspect that it never will - but this was not the primary cause for dwindling membership numbers... Most of our 'seasoned' members either gave up on Basic or moved onto higher level applications... creating a "programmer drought". It wasn't long before most of the others 'left'...
SDLBasic's development plans? A bit difficult to make plans when there is no development team. Therefore, I seriously doubt, that any of them will be helping n00b in the next for-see-able future.
SDLBasic and RCBasic are indeed very similar. One of the reasons I moved here... Of course, each has their own little quirks, but on the whole quite similar. I am sure that pretty much all of the examples and tutorials could be modified without too much difficulty, so as to be used here. Most of the examples are simple - designed for new members - I remember some years back I attempted to make a "backup" of our samples. I managed to get quite a few but some were incomplete due to missing assets etc... I will see if I can find them...
Using the samples and tutorials will probably be the 'only' method of combing the two projects. The last 'minor' update was back in October 2019. The last update, for 64bit Linux, is the version that I have installed. 2007... To be honest, "The patient seems to be dead and is just waiting for confirmation from the coroner".
I will continue to reference SDLBasic, for as long as the site is up, but I can no long devote time and effort to it. RCBasic is my home now...
I've got some samples and tutorials to look for and I'm going to need a caffeine recharge to help out....
J
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Mar 21, 2021 7:00:04 GMT -6
Post by aurel on Mar 21, 2021 7:00:04 GMT -6
SDLBasic is a good example of unused basic-like language ...even have Linux and Windows version .I really wondering how many Linux users use SDLBasic ...are more LInux or Windows users well maybe is trivial but in many cases are not important because i figure that Linux users don't like very much BASIC..and or basic-like languages ..often telling stories how BASIC is old and obsolate and nobody needs such a languages today. SDL as such is good gameing library ....but on Windows maybe is not the fastest. Well i can add in option SDL as possible support in microA too, because OxygenBasic SDL samples works well ..but then i need always unwanted set of .DLL-s ..but ok.
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Mar 21, 2021 7:27:53 GMT -6
Post by johnno56 on Mar 21, 2021 7:27:53 GMT -6
The 2007 / 64bit version of SDLBasic is part of Ubuntu (and spin-offs) repository as is Basic256 (perhaps better for beginners). But, how many use them... don't know... All I know is, I do... lol
As a Linux user I am a big fan of Basic. For me, it's easier to learn, the the higher level programs... But, having said that, I do like pygame; love2d (lua) and the Linux version of Game Maker (Enigma - almost 100% compatible with GML Game Makers scripting language)
It's after midnight and I have to be up at 5:30am...
J
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Mar 21, 2021 8:34:46 GMT -6
Post by aurel on Mar 21, 2021 8:34:46 GMT -6
WOW or WTF 3 topic with same name an idea this is a real progress...
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Mar 21, 2021 12:54:45 GMT -6
Post by johnno56 on Mar 21, 2021 12:54:45 GMT -6
Yes... I noticed that too... Curious is it not?
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Mar 26, 2021 18:21:11 GMT -6
Post by kennn on Mar 26, 2021 18:21:11 GMT -6
johnno56, "this was not the primary cause" <--- are you sure? No SDLBasic development plan <> no SDLBasic community member wants to join other BASIC dialect's development project. However, it may be very hard for us to know which SDLBasic community member is willing to join RCBasic's development project. If someone(for example, me) registers at SDLBasic's official forum to invite them to join RCBasic's development project, most of their members may be annoyed. Why? Promotion of another BASIC dialect and destroying SDLBasic. A question: if the development speed of SDLBasic is as fast as another commercial BASIC game dialect(AppGameKit), will the SDLBasic user base still be as tiny as the current state? Of course not. The SDLBasic user base will be quite huge.
aurel, No improvement nearly means no user. SDLBasic is an open-source software. I believe that taking over SDLBasic will be easier than developing a new language(Micro(A))? Is this correct?
I suggest that you take over SDLBasic(or BlitzPlus).
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Mar 26, 2021 18:57:36 GMT -6
Post by johnno56 on Mar 26, 2021 18:57:36 GMT -6
Am I sure? I am the moderator for SDLBasic. I know how many registered members we have. I know how many members are active. I know how many members are inactive and for how long. It is my job to know. So yeah. I'm pretty sure that I am sure.
"No SDLBasic community member wants to join other BASIC dialect development project." That is because there are NO members left that are capable of developing anything... No point joining to ask SDLBasic members to join the RC development project. Same reason. No one is left to ask. No developers; Not enough members; No support. SDLBasic is destined to fail... Eventually, the Administrator, will realise that there is little point in maintaining a Forum.
Development speed of SDLBasic.... I suppose that, if the development advanced as quickly as other dialects, and people were still interested in Basic, then yeah. The site would have grown... But, in SDLBasic's situation, I wouldn't waste my time on speculation. My concern now is for the welfare of the RCBasic Forum.
Thank you for asking. I hope that I have cleared up any concerns that you may have.
J
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Mar 27, 2021 2:10:48 GMT -6
Post by aurel on Mar 27, 2021 2:10:48 GMT -6
I think ...that we need new topic IDEA_2Idea ...WOW...do you see kenn i have idea ... SDL Basic - there was a long time ago i have tried SDL Basic (windows version)... and i bump in trouble with registry, it have problems with removing which is not good at all.. also i never looked or found source code of SDLBasic, so i don't have idea in what is written probably in C or C++, also i don't like to use or wasting my free time with someone else work when product is not abandoned by author ...right Johnno ? Also i don't have time to lern how to work with SDL library...i use and test it with Oxygenbasic . So i have micro(A) which is windows winapi project and i know what is where and what i can expect. Well fusion of two similar products like RCBasic and SDLbasic ...maybe ...but concept is different. So NO.
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Mar 27, 2021 4:25:34 GMT -6
Post by johnno56 on Mar 27, 2021 4:25:34 GMT -6
If memory serves correctly, I think SDLBasic, has been around since about 2002. I think the IDE was added in 2005? I think the first 64bit version (Linux) was 2007 (my current version) but has not been updated. It still uses SDL 1.2 but the Administrator is try to get it to work with SDL 2.0... So, yeah. It's old. But I still don't know what it was written in...
Time for more coffee...
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Mar 27, 2021 9:05:13 GMT -6
Post by aurel on Mar 27, 2021 9:05:13 GMT -6
Time for more coffee...YES I AGREE !
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Mar 27, 2021 15:32:43 GMT -6
Post by johnno56 on Mar 27, 2021 15:32:43 GMT -6
Just remembered... SDLBasic used wxBasic as its core and used wxWidgets library.
wxBasic was primarily written in C with some C++ to link to wxWidgets.
wxBasic is still available but its last version was 13th November 2016. I found one forum but I cannot read German...
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Mar 27, 2021 16:18:34 GMT -6
Post by aurel on Mar 27, 2021 16:18:34 GMT -6
yeah ..i see
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Mar 28, 2021 19:34:28 GMT -6
Post by kennn on Mar 28, 2021 19:34:28 GMT -6
johnno56,Will they delete the official forum later? aurel,So is there any plan for future versions of Micro(A) to be run on Linux system?
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Mar 28, 2021 19:56:26 GMT -6
Post by johnno56 on Mar 28, 2021 19:56:26 GMT -6
"Delete the official Forum"? Good question. The answer may take longer... But eventually, it will either stay up for reference, or shutdown completely. If completely, then yes, everything will be purged.
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