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Post by dottygame on Dec 23, 2020 11:06:33 GMT -6
We be like those "Old stuff collectors", we love old things like Basic language and still keep it in our home. I'm new to programming, I love to program a game myself. I fรฌnd RCBasic quite suitable for me to make a game because it quite easy and now I want to conquer it as a hobby.
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Post by tbird on Dec 23, 2020 11:31:31 GMT -6
Tomaaz, it should be thought as, more popular in the basic community, not as a renewed basic take over. It would be unrealistic to believe Basic is going to replace Javascript, or Python. Its not deluded if you look at it in the right context, plus if Kennn wants to put effort towards ideas of how to possibly get more exposure, that is his prerogative.
According to the TIOBE and PYPL charts Visual Basic is actually not the most unpopular language.....and yes this isn't visual basic but its interesting to see that basic still has legs.......short.....chubby....chaffing....legs, but still has legs ๐
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Post by Tomaaz on Dec 23, 2020 12:21:14 GMT -6
There is no such thing as "BASIC community". FreeBASIC users dont't care about BaCon. BaCon users don't care about PureBasic. PureBasic users don't care about ScriptBasic. ScriptBasic users don't care about QB64. QB64 users don't care about SmallBasic etc. They may know that other BASICs exist, but they don't really care about them. All attempts to create one place for all BASIC users/developers have failed. Everyone preferred to stick to his compiler/interpreter of choice. The most popular BASICs are those still in development and with the longest history, simply because they were around when all the BASIC coders from 8/16 bit era started to use modern architecture. No one is really looking to switch. If you think that people who for years coded in FreeBASIC, PureBasic or QB64 will suddenly start using RCBasic then you will be disappointed. BaCon is a fantastic BASIC to C converter and for years I tried to make it more popular (by posting about it everywhere), but no one was interested. Everybody preferred to stay with the familiar dialect they were already using. The same will happen to RCBasic and there in no new BASIC coders, because young people are starting with popular modern languages like Python or JavaScript. So, instead of wasting time for pointless never-ending discussions like "how to make RCBasic popular?" simply have fun with it. Code, share your programs, talk to the few people who are interested and enjoy your time with RCBasic.
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Post by dottygame on Dec 23, 2020 12:53:19 GMT -6
The same will happen to RCBasic and there in no new BASIC coders, because young people are starting with popular modern languages like Python or JavaScript. Maybe I'm the new BASIC coder, or rather the new RCBasic coder I'm 18 and new to programming, I choose RCBasic for hobby programming
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Post by tbird on Dec 23, 2020 12:59:56 GMT -6
Can do Tomaaz, can do. dottygame glad to have you on board, RCBasic is a great place to start and or stick with.
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Post by rosy on Dec 23, 2020 14:31:26 GMT -6
Basic is not a technology but a language, a comparison to VHS is pointless. If we talk nonsense that basic is simple, outdated, etc, the popularity will not actually return ... The number of its varieties is also a problem ...
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Post by johnno56 on Dec 23, 2020 15:53:38 GMT -6
I agree with all that you say. All those things; Monitors, discs, Basic, TV, film etc., as they say, "Have had their shot". They have all been relegated to the past. No argument from me... It is not my intent to make Basic 'mainstream' again. Never has been. Why do people restore and drive antique cars? I can assure you that they are not trying to use them as viable transport. It is the love and challenge of restoration, if you will pardon the pun, that drives them forward. That is how 'I' see Basic. Because 'I' enjoy using Basic I will encourage others also. Not everyone will restore cars but that doesn't stop them from forming 'car clubs'.
I also enjoy tinkering with other similar languages. Which one(s) do you prefer? (no judgement just curious)
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Post by aurel on Dec 24, 2020 8:39:43 GMT -6
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Post by Tomaaz on Dec 24, 2020 9:06:15 GMT -6
rosy, BASIC is a language used in technology, so my comparison is not entirely pointless. The technology has evolved and the languages used with it have evolved, too. The interesting thing is that, from my experience, the more modern BASIC is the less popular it becomes. Very traditional dialects like QB64 or FreeBASIC are much more popular than BaCon or SmallBasic (not Microsoft one, this ome - smallbasic.github.io/). So, no - the popularity will not return. But BASIC is not alone here. The popularity of Pascal, Fortran, Tcl/Tk or even Perl will not return, either. johno56, there is absolutely nothing wrong with PROGRAMMING in BASIC, but having endless discussions about its popularity and future is just a waste of time. Like I said before - have fun with it, share your experience and achievements with people still interested and enjoy it as long as it's possible. Talking about marketing, popularity etc. will take you nowhere. BTW The language I have fun with at the moment is Nim. aurel, me? I've come here to learn what "corona-jumper" is. :-)
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Post by aurel on Dec 24, 2020 9:33:32 GMT -6
Ahh..good for you so please go to Nim forum and start complain about all similar craps you usually posting here Maybe is good time to ban your IP
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Post by aurel on Dec 24, 2020 9:36:05 GMT -6
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Post by Tomaaz on Dec 24, 2020 16:18:08 GMT -6
aurel, johnno56 asked and I answered. No reason to get excited. And you still haven't answered my question. What the hell is "corona jumper"? :-)
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Post by rosy on Dec 24, 2020 18:38:47 GMT -6
Language C also "outdated technology" (1972) ?
What is SmallBasic better than QB64?
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Post by johnno56 on Dec 24, 2020 20:09:07 GMT -6
There is smallbasic.github.io/ and smallbasic-publicwebsite.azurewebsites.net/The second smallbasic is from Micro$oft and looks like it designed for beginners. I can't tell you much more about it as I cannot run it on Linux. The last stable release for Windows was in 2015. The first smallbasic I have used a few times. It has no IDE per se but can edit and execute code. I'm still learning so perhaps asking the other forum members about its specs? I have used QB64 quite a bit. So I am more familiar with it than both smallbasic's. Which is better? My opinion, over all, would be QB64. Microsoft's small basic is a "simplified variation of Basic" designed for students. The other small basic has more "bells and whistles" but is a bit fiddly to use. Most users are familiar with Qbasic and would feel "quite at home" with QB64. QB64 has more "bells and whistles" than both small basic's combined. (my opinion... lol) QB64 is still being developed and is available for several OS's and has an active forum.
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Post by aurel on Dec 25, 2020 2:12:37 GMT -6
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