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Jul 9, 2021 18:41:38 GMT -6
Post by kennn on Jul 9, 2021 18:41:38 GMT -6
Long time no see.
A discussion inspired me recently and I want to tell Noob:
( syntaxbomb.com/smallbasic/two-for-one-null-and-setting-all-array-elements-to-a-default/ ) ( add www. )
First, I want to say that SmallBASIC does not look like a famous language. Furthermore, it seems that SmallBASIC does not have an independent official forum. I believe that the above sub-forum ( at syntaxbomb ) is its official forum. At first, this looked like a weird idea(the official forum is inside syntaxbomb). Now I think that it is a special nice idea and SmallBASIC's development team was clever to make this decision. It is not only a promotion for SmallBASIC. It can also make SmallBASIC's community bigger. The above discussion is one example: many other people(not SmallBASIC users) joined the discussion. If RCBasic's official forum is located at syntaxbomb, I believe that the RCBasic's official forum will be much more active than the current state. Noob will also receive many advanced feedbacks about RCBasic since syntaxbomb has many very knowledgeable visitors.
Larger community and more active official forum!
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Jul 10, 2021 3:13:25 GMT -6
Post by johnno56 on Jul 10, 2021 3:13:25 GMT -6
Hey Kennn,
Yes, it has been a while...
With a few exceptions, most Basic's, are not all that famous/popular. Even the most popular had to start somewhere. Smallbasic, like RCBasic and sdlbasic, have relatively small memberships. Promotion and time usually assist in a Forum's popularity.
Interesting idea to become part of the Syntaxbomb family. It certainly would make RC more accessible to more people. (at the present time Syntaxbomb has a membership of about 318). There could be the potential to pick up some extra members (based on the "passing trade" principle). ie: Like a Shopping Center that has many different stores, most shoppers will visit other stores, because they are conveniently nearby. But generally people have their favourite stores and will stick with those... So yeah... there would be the potential to attract more members.
A larger community is generally more active. Why do you think that is? Could it be that out of the 318 members there would be a greater number of active programmers? Or perhaps a greater collection of ideas? Could be both. What do you think?
Noob's busy working on version 3.14 and will get back to you as soon as he can...
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Jul 10, 2021 6:48:30 GMT -6
Post by kennn on Jul 10, 2021 6:48:30 GMT -6
A larger community is generally more active. Why do you think that is? Could it be that out of the 318 members there would be a greater number of active programmers? Or perhaps a greater collection of ideas? Could be both. What do you think? Hi.....several reasons. By the way, SmallBASIC's forum looks quite active now.
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Jul 10, 2021 12:41:31 GMT -6
Post by aurel on Jul 10, 2021 12:41:31 GMT -6
First there is no development team for Small Basic it is one man,who even is not original author he just from time to time add some things and fix some bugs . Small Basic is some sort of relict from the past because is really old basic dialect written originally for linux ,but because original author at that time see that there is no real users for his product he decide to make windows version which he hated ..do you beleive in that ? In fact idea to post about RCBasic on syntax bomb is not bad idea because that forum members are biased to games ..mostly based around old Blitz products..let call tem orphans of Mark Sibil..what they are. ps.currently there are 3 products ..clones ...mods of Blitz language ..and to be clear this language is not basic-like or basic dialect in any sense ..it is OOP biased. SB activity yes..there is one spanish archer who asking a lot thinking that SB is on comercial level heh ..it is miles from there ..but who care..
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Jul 10, 2021 17:45:44 GMT -6
Post by kennn on Jul 10, 2021 17:45:44 GMT -6
First Small Basic is some sort of relict from the past because is really old basic dialect written originally for linux ,but because original author at that time see that there is no real users for his product he decide to make windows version which he hated ..do you beleive in that ? Thanks for providing the above information......Linux looks unsuccessful. The main competitors to RCBasic. Their forums are very inactive nowadays. However, their development teams do not try to make the forums survive. sdlbasic.epizy.com/www.naalaa.com/community/You are so humorous. Ha....thanks for telling me. Ha.....very interesting description.
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Jul 11, 2021 1:35:11 GMT -6
Post by aurel on Jul 11, 2021 1:35:11 GMT -6
mostly based around old Blitz products..let call tem orphans of Mark Sibil..what they are.
...well yes that is true..Mark Sibil was original author of Blitz language(and versions), after he release source some wanna-be developers or group of wana-be developers jump on code pre-tending they know what they do,they know little bit and they made they own modifications of Blitz-Monkey-Wonkey derivatives.
SDLBasic is also a older product oriented to SDL library and made for 2d games . it is not bad but is untransparent,Windows version made mess with registry without known reasons. Popularity of that one is always very small. Deveopment team..there is no as far as i know ..but we can ask Johnno he is admin there .
SB aka SmallBasic (not MS Small basic which is also a very good one) ,interesting product at XP Windows era ..but also with very low popularity...
naalaa by my friend Marcus is very good game oriented language ..low popularity ..well doe tha fact that is not crappy game engine like pyGame.
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Jul 11, 2021 1:46:05 GMT -6
Post by aurel on Jul 11, 2021 1:46:05 GMT -6
and this topic get pissed me off and clear my mind to see who is there and why is there
( syntaxbomb.com/smallbasic/two-for-one-null-and-setting-all-array-elements-to-a-default/ ) ( add www. )
admin is not very friendly person + some constant hangers (Blitz-orphans) who share his stupid vibes over that place ,I remember once admin says open "if you don't like it fuck*off". If you ask me that place is a _shit*hole with bunch of _dick*heads including big patronizer called midimaster. All that smell very bad to me ,so i delete content under topic i made .
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Jul 11, 2021 8:15:51 GMT -6
Post by johnno56 on Jul 11, 2021 8:15:51 GMT -6
Kennn and Aurel,
Just for information: SDLBasic is quite old... In fact the 64 bit Linux version that I currently use (the only version that will run on my machine) is dated from 2007. SDLBasic has not had an update since 2019. Still using SDL1.2 evn though SDL2.0 has been out since 1998...
I think the Admin is in contact with the author... But I am not certain that any serious upgrades or advancements will be happening anytime soon... But you never know... The SDLbasic website is also very quiet...
Aurel. Thank you for the promotion but I am only a Moderator... lol
Bplus does/did a lot of work with smallbasic. Both he and I tinkered on a few projects... Well... He did most of the tinkering... I merely assisted with some assets...
Naalaa is quite good... I have tinkered with it on and off over the years. The "basic-like" syntax is even easy enough for 'me' to follow... lol Has a nice Tile Map Editor and Raycaster... The site seems to be "very" quiet.
I am quite comfortable using RCBasic and it is till being upgraded. Very similar to SDLBasic. Personally, if I had the skills, I would help out with RC's development... Ah the things we wish for...
It's after midnight and I have to be up at 5am... Time to shutdown...
J
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Jul 11, 2021 18:31:14 GMT -6
Post by kennn on Jul 11, 2021 18:31:14 GMT -6
...well yes that is true..Mark Sibil was original author of Blitz language(and versions), after he release source some wanna-be developers or group of wana-be developers jump on code pre-tending they know what they do,they know little bit and they made they own modifications of Blitz-Monkey-Wonkey derivatives. The above paragraph makes me laugh. I guess that many their potential users are scared by these two inactive forums. If the owner of SmallBasic uses an independent official forum(the official forum is not inside syntaxbomb), the official forum may be an inactive forum or a dead forum(just like SDLBasic and Naalaa).
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Jul 11, 2021 18:37:46 GMT -6
Post by kennn on Jul 11, 2021 18:37:46 GMT -6
admin is not very ...................................................... ............................................................................. ............................................................................ .............................................. under topic i made . The above paragraph makes me laugh again.....
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Jul 11, 2021 18:50:17 GMT -6
Post by kennn on Jul 11, 2021 18:50:17 GMT -6
Kennn and Aurel, Bplus does/did a lot of work with smallbasic. Both he and I tinkered on a few projects... Well... He did most of the tinkering... I merely assisted with some assets... Naalaa is quite good... I have tinkered with it on and off over the years. The "basic-like" syntax is even easy enough for 'me' to follow... lol Has a nice Tile Map Editor and Raycaster... The site seems to be "very" quiet. J SmallBASIC does not look like a too useful software but its current official forum is so active. Naalaa looks much much more useful than SmallBASIC but its current official forum is a very inactive(or dead) forum. The development team of Naalaa should move the official forum to syntaxbomb to make NaaLaa survive!
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Jul 12, 2021 1:05:12 GMT -6
Post by aurel on Jul 12, 2021 1:05:12 GMT -6
kenn there is no nothing funny in that ...that is unfriendly attitude of syntaxbomb admin who probably think that is some sort of god .
Personally i doubt that is usefull to be there . There is no potential users just members biased to Blitz-and derivative products no newcomers there .
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Jul 12, 2021 6:42:52 GMT -6
Post by johnno56 on Jul 12, 2021 6:42:52 GMT -6
Kennn,
Like most basic-like languages, they have their limitations, so programmers would need to be creative to allow there programs to be useful. Yes, smallbasic is limited, but far from useless. It would be better if the developers would create a "normal" looking IDE for easier use. Smallbasic and SDLBasic seem to be dormant, but that is what usually happens when membership numbers begin to fade. Unless developers and members generate excitement or interest, then it will be only a matter of time before either site is useless. As a moderator for SDLBasic, it is part of my job to create an environment, that would encourage members to be more enthusiastic... But, it's difficult, when there are so few to encourage.
Naalaa is a more complete package than either Smallbasic or SDLBasic. Not only does it have an Editor but also a Tile map editor and Raycaster. which means it is capable of 3D type games like 3D Wolfenstein. It's also a shame that the forum is also quiet. The members there are quite talented... in my opinion... Would they move to Syntax? I personally don't think so.
The one thing I do like about Syntax is that they host game jams. There is nothing like a good game jam to help get members active and working together. But Aurel could be right about the Blitz phenomenon... The majority of members are in the Blitz forum. That could have a two-fold effect. A great deal of excitement for creating Blitz programs and the potential for a forum that focuses on one language to become isolating or exclusive... I have seen in the past how 'exclusive' groups tend to focus on individuals of similar interests and abilities. Newcomers are more or less tolerated until they give up and go elsewhere... I hope that this will not be the case.
That's the end of another day for me... Have a great day.
J
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Jul 13, 2021 3:00:56 GMT -6
Post by bethleem on Jul 13, 2021 3:00:56 GMT -6
Would they move to Syntax? I personally don't think so. The one thing I do like about Syntax is that they host game jams. Out of curiosity, where I can find Syntax? Googling it became imposible due to, oh, well, the lot of white noise around the usual meaning of the word. Such a bad choice for a name...
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Jul 13, 2021 5:32:57 GMT -6
Post by aurel on Jul 13, 2021 5:32:57 GMT -6
it is syntaxbomb if you gamer-sort of and interested in game-jams and blitz orphans products then GO
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